The Truth About Alliance and Horde PvP win ratiosFollow

well, checking any player level 80 will pretty much show that they have about 45-55% win ratio in bgs, which is balanced. however, you will constantly hear from alliance players (im alliance as well) that alliance lose 90% of their bgs.

i have yet to find a bg statistic of a player, horde side, with anything higher than 60% win ratio (and they couldve done premades).

now people will say "oh thats cuz of bloodelves" no no no. its not. there was never a difference in pre tbc.


now i never played in vanilla wow, but from what i have heard, ive finally figured out why people thought alliance sucked at bgs back then.... the truth is, they didnt...back then, alliance outnumbered horde by ALOT before bgs came out, alliance would group up and pwn horde every where, outnumbering them every time. when bgs came out, alliance were forced to fight even battles, which is what they were not used to.

its not that alliance were bad at bgs, they would win 50/50. the problem is that alliance players could not understand defeat, they were so used to pwning horde in pvp, that losing the new bgs at all was horrific to them.

alliance players would lose a few bgs, then assume that all alliance suck at bgs, just cuz they arent winning 100% of the time. those alliance players start spreading the word that alliance suck at bgs, and to go horde. so many many pvping alliance went horde, for what they thought where "free wins". so now on horde side, whenever these ex-alliance would lose a bg as horde, they would just ignore it, cuz they, in their delusional minds, thought that horde=free wins in bgs.



so fast foward to today, so many horde from vanilla (ex alliance) think that if they win 90% of their bgs like in vanilla (which was never true, it has always been 50/50) that its somehow "fair". its the same as alliance going horde just cuz of wintergrasp, and how any horde on an imbalanced server in their favor hate the idea of wintergrasp, or any bg, being balanced. why?


because so many horde are ex-alliance who used to pwn horde in pvp by outnumbering them before bgs, then went horde cuz they couldnt stand even wins/loses in bgs and went horde cuz they thought, and still do think, being horde=free bg wins. when it does not.


these people do no want fairness, they just want to win all the time. they are no different from when they were alliance pwning horde in unfair outnumbering fights in world pvp, they're just a bunch of ***** wanting to win all the time, and fair fights are unnaceptable to them.




why do these horde think that they now lose alot of bgs (aka even odds) cuz of blood elves? because THEY THEMSELVES convinced THEMSELVES that bloodelves would cause them to lose in bgs alot more. so, as we've already covered, these ex-alliance horde players are so delusional, they convinced themselves that bloodelves=lots of bg loses for horde. it made no difference, it was still just like it was in vanilla, 50/50 wins for both sides.





and that is the truth about bg win ratios.

well the point is its all a huge misconception. also combined with the fact that alot people generally want to win all the time anyway, and hate losing. even tho in this game, in bgs, it has to be a 50/50 win ratio for both sides, which it is, for it to be fair. and balanced.


alot of alliance from vanilla went horde because they were so used to winning in world pvp against the horde before bgs by outnumbering them, so when bgs came out, and they were forced to win only half the time in FAIR FIGHTS, which is what they were not used to, they went horde, and deluded themselves into thinking horde wins all the time.


which is why you see so many vanilla horde players wishing that it could be like vanilla again where they could win bgs all the time, which in their minds is fair. (despite the fact that both sides have always only won 50/50, these ex alliance vanilla horde think winning 90% would be fair.)

The alliance doesn't usually beat Horde by outnumbering them because the almost all of servers where the alliance outnumber the horde are PvE servers. On PvP servers it's usually the opposite.

You are assuming the Statistic counter can be used as a reliable counter for Victories and defeats. I am not sure how it works but I remember at one point I had more AV victories than AV battles. You obviously can't get 2 victories in a single battle. So it's not a very valid source for the number of defeats.

There's also another thing, my undead warlock for example, new char, had been played in BGs since level 10, and those victories went into the statistics together with the level 80 results. So it's showing ownage winning ratios when in reality level 80 WSG is alliance dominated (Nightfall).

There's a few things that I have noticed that tend to impact on which side dominates BGs.

- If a certain population has a lot more healers they will tend to dominate Warsong, AB, EOTS and tend to lose in AV rushes but win on AV turtles.

- If a certain population has 1 team mostly composed of PvE server population while the other team is mostly composed of PvP server population the one with PvP server population tends to dominate all but AV. This usually favors the Horde team.

- For whatever reason alliance players seem to make a lot more alts. So they play on their main a lot less, don't PvP seriously on their main, or simply are on BGs with all of their random ungeared alts more often than on their geared main.

The element that makes AV rushing opposite to Warsong is that AV rushes work in a way that both teams allow each other to get past all lines of defense and just rush trough a weak defense of NPCs that doesn't require any healing until the last boss, this favors the team with more DPS and less heals.



Edited, Aug 30th 2010 3:46pm by xorq

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 4:33pm by xorq

My Tauren druid(80) has a 62% win ratio.(Area 52)
My Alliance paladin(75) has a 34% win ratio.(Whisperwind)

Since, they're both not level 80 I suppose my numbers are incorrect, but that's only on two servers. I think the BG data on www.warcraftrealms.com (Not linking) is a fairly good indication of whats happening.

Random is random and everything pretty much balances out in the end. Just checked all my characters and they all have a win/loss ratio pretty close to 50%. It's pretty even across all BGs too.


Though there is an interesting blip on my paladin. 80~% wins in AV and 75~% losses in EotS. Only on that one character though.

Between all of my toons I've had a total of 574 BGs entered (I think that number should be higher as some stats are REALLY low, like my main supposedly only did a total of 39 BGs) and 296 won for a 51.56% win ratio with my BG toon pulling an impressive 58.54% win ratio.

So statistically speaking over all, the ratio is effectively even (figure a 3% normal deviation).

I do agree though on whatever side is used to zerging the enemy being at a severe disadvantage though when it comes to an even fight. The Allies on my server become worthless cowards in WG when they've got less then T3 stacking - they wont even show their faces at the walls till they hit at least T2 - and whenever they encounter odds that are less then three to one they flee.

Being used to pack tactics you see the exact same behavior in the BGs - they travel in large groups and tend to avoid single combat whenever they can (unless of course they're either geared to the teeth or have the element of surprise).

I'm sure that Allies on outnumbered servers/battlegroups can report the same behavior from the Horde there but feel free to pipe up if I'm wrong.

The real trick will be whether or not these groups can/how fast they can adapt if the WG patch comes through before Cata or if they simply throw a tantrum and start screaming that Blizz nerfed their side.

yes but he started his druid in wotlk. so thats all his bgs that it shows on the statistic.

The thread title lied to me. I'd like my 90 seconds back please. =P

Depended on your server and later, on your battlegroup. Because Alliance has always been dominant on Draka, though Horde has—overall—been more dominant in our battlegroup.

Though anytime you get Korgath players, you're pretty well set. Same with some Mug'lol players.

Not ursine either? Maz, are you saying some druids are unbearable?

Interesting - found "Archavon's Log" inside the WG fortress in front of VOA - is a big book and it's got your server's WG stats.

Horde

Defended - 306
Captured - 534

Ally

Defended 1366
Captured 533

And as a side note to prove the point about numbers last night we had an even odds offensive WG and we rolled the Allies then just now we had an even odds defensive and held the fort.

durids are 2 halp oth3r durids lol =P

How do you find those win loss statistics?


I agree partially with the OP, but I disagree about the reason alliance went horde. I think many who did go horde went undead for their racial. Which is very useful (or was- aren't they nerfing it in cata?)

I do believe the ratios are most likely around 50%. It's just people's views are skewed by streaks and unluckiness somtimes (sometimes people think more bad things happen on a full moon or friday the 13th). So they only notice when they lose, but don't really notice when they win.



Edited, Sep 1st 2010 3:46pm by thrashering