Correct me if Im wrong (past and present relic weapon)Follow

There'll probably be one last step in 3.55 to round out the anima weapon. Similar to the zeta step from 2.55.



7 weeks is now "no time" apparently.

But what you seem to be implying here is that SE gives a crap about optimal secondary stats. Given the itemization I've seen in the past, I doubt very seriously that's the case.

It takes 7 weeks to get the Alexandrian Gears necessary obtain the micro tomestone. Unless you're clearing savage creator, that's your only road.

And actually I'm not sure if you can buy the Illuminati Deepest Gobdip to upgrade a shire weapon. I know you can get the twine and coat, but I don't think the dip is actually available for purchase (could easily be wrong about that).



You were complaining that the shire bow had optimal stats on it (weird complaint) and that people would just duplicate them for the anima bow as though this were some weird plot by SE to make your anima bow a waste of time.

The "complaint" is the fact that you take all that tim to do teh reli weapon only for its optimal stats to be exactly the same as a tomestone weapon whos upgrade parts are now easier t get. Now if you ARE right an the upgrade item can only still be gotten in Savage THEN I retract my complain as relic would be much easier (although a longer process) to obtain hen the augmented Shire Bow

It is extra work IF youre doing it to get a weapon equal to or more powerful that the current most powerful weapon. Because the content to get said weapon is too hard for you (or you cant get groups to even TRY said content to find out if its too hard for you). Only for the weapon in said content gets much easier and faster to obtain before you even complete the relic.


tl;dr if the final upgrade of the relic is equal to or more powerful than the current strongest weapon and its upgrade comes first then its NOT extra work. If alex savage weapon difficulty to get gets nerfed or becomes MUCH faster or easier to get (i.e purchase items can be gotten from 24 man raid), BEFORE final relic upgrade is available THEN doing the relic is/was extra work.

As you could just waited til savage weapon attainability (or tome upgrade item attainability) got nerfed/easier than taken 30 mins to get that instead of spending the 10+ hours total you spent on making the relic weapon from start to finish

Unless you don't have the time, group, or ability to do savage content.



I hung onto my zeta weapon until like level 58 or something like that. Including the progression I did with it at the end of the 2.x cycle, I'd say it put in fine service.



Ok but then why are you playing the game at the launch of an expansion when there's going to be a new tier of gear 6 months later? And then another one 6 months after that? If your only goal is to have the best items available, then you're better off not even purchasing an expansion until the final patch is released so you're not "wasting your time" on the lower tiers of content.

Apples to oranges comparison here. FFXI is (or at least was) not a vertical game.



The relic system is supposed to be an alternative to savage raiding. Requiring a commensurate input of time as opposed to group organization and player skill. None of the relic steps are individually all that hard to do, just super grindy because time is being substituted for raiding. I don't know that they necessarily hit the mark on the HW relic, but that was their stated goal with the system.

A: Why should it mean that?
B: I assume you will by the end. The zeta weapon was equivalent to T13 weapons in item level.

Don't have the time or group for savage raiding. Thankful for the relic!

Now, this was from November, but am I reading this right? Balmung has a 0.33% clear rate on savage?

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybancho/imgs/2/b/2b12f947.png

Short of those top 3 Japanese servers, it's still abysmal. Raid finder or not, my guess is you're wasting a TON of time. You really should stream it sometime. Raid Finder on Balmung and that way we'd see how things go!

I love how when Yoshi's words can be shown as favoring your argument, he's telling the truth!

Any other time, he's a liar!

But no, the almighty Yoshi has yet to solve the problem of actually creating more time in my schedule and making my life more predictable.

Because thats exactly what Alternative means..


I could go get a box of cereal from Walmart or alternatively I can go get one from Kroger. Im still getting the exact same thing.. just two alternative ways to ge them.. Walmart or Kroger

The problem is, while you're not wrong this is FFXIV - The setup for this game is atrocious so an "alternative" to say a savage weapon at this point in the game's life would mean "Why do the content where you have to push more than 123 when you can get the same if not a better weapon doing far less work?" There would be no reason to touch content that doesn't hand out gear.

With the Zodiac weapons, the amount of work was actually a bit more than just taking your butt into Coil and clearing T5/T9/T13, so that weapon was well deserved to be an alternate you can customize - in 3.x however, the ilvls are quite different and they jump a lot higher, so handing out a 275 alternate would negate creator savage, which yeah would make people who don't touch content happy, but for people who spend more than 3 hours a week on this game you take away one of the few goals this game has, which seems to be ok to take away from other's playstyle but isn't ok if it takes away from your playstyle.

So an alternate weapon can never be equal to a high end weapon unless they SIGNIFICANTLY change the itemization so you can make both well worth your time.

So you do indeed have your alt weapon, you just have to deal with being behind the top weapon because realistically, unless you plan to do harder content in this game you don't need anywhere near the current gear, you realistically only need ilvl245 gear (new dungeons) and ilvl255 weapon at best.

I think a much better analogy here would be the difference between going to participate in a game of skill and winning your cereal versus manufacturing it yourself from scratch.

The game of skill, if you're good enough to do it, awards you completed cereal at a high quality.
OR
You can manufacture the individual components of cereal yourself on your own time. It'll take longer, and you'll take a good deal more time to achieve the same quality of cereal, but in the end you can make it exactly the way you want.