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That's also an extreme example of behavior. Most people would look at all the other jobs, find one that also looks interesting, and just play as that.

I don't know too many people who started an MMO just because of one job looking interesting. For people who do care about jobs, the fact you can change jobs so easily in FFXIV (a huge selling point) would seem to negate those concerns.

Actually there are more than you think... i know one guy who would not play till they had darknight. Now he is going to play.

Edited, Apr 13th 2015 12:01pm by Nashred

I'm not denying their existence, but in the grand scheme of things these people are a sliver of the gaming population. Most people try a new game because the game looks fun, not because a specific job looks fun. Usually, when people are deciding on jobs to play, they're already set on playing.

The inclusion of new jobs is less about attracting new players and more about keeping current players interested.

Also, re: Hio's concern about 2.x content, I don't see any issues there. Yoshi-P has a good track record of removing road blocks from older content, plus people will always run that stuff when building relics, doing trial roulette, etc. He's been pretty clear on his priority to keep people engaged with old content.

Strange to level 3 jobs to 50 and several more into the 30s/40s if you found none of it enjoyable.

The more I see in regards to the expansion, the more I like.

I just hope it lives up to its promise.

Problem is I feel that they are making the same mistake with FFXIV arr like they did with FFXI.

First the duty up system reminds me of the party system in FFXI 2006. The expansion will come and most people will duty up who were left behind will wait for hours on end to try and get a party to finish up what they have not done.

SE will be more focused on content for the new expansion rather than fix issues with old content, they did this in FFXI SE will do it again in FFXIV.

I have been noticing a pattern, I believe the first FFXIV was a success more than a failure, FFXIV ARR was a Success due to it being similar to WoW and that they made SOA expansion very tough, which pushed people out of FFXI into FFXIV ARR.

I believe SE is doing that again with FFXI shutting down ps2 support and Xbox360 to try and get a new influx of people to join FFXIV ARR.

This way when they do release the expansion for FFXIV ARR that new people will join and some of those who were slacking catch up.

Though most likely some will stay for FFXI new expansion and once that is done probably look for something else due to them not supporting the game anymore.

By that time they may have more players in FFXIV ARR to help others, though to be honest I still see a issue with it being dungeon only the issue is basically duty finder.

I know there is a Party finder option but some people do not want to do things anymore that was a pain to beat again.

Which comes to what SE is doing with the 2.55 thing once the expansion is release, those who are not done will struggle unless they have friends or check PF, though most of their friends would probably have it finished and want to be doing new stuff in expansion to even deal with that stuff from 2.55.

New jobs won't require you to go back to old content cause most people level doing fates, I am just noticing its similar to FFXI when everyone was struggling I remember having to help tons of people try and put everything off to help them to catch up but even that got tiring for me.

I am not buying expansion till it goes lower in price also, 1 new race and flying mounts are the only thing that seems new to me, all the other stuff seems like they can do with a update as they did for rogue and ninja and storyline but charging you more money than its worth.

I understand the game needs support to continue and I understand more people will join to help others who struggle sometimes that isn't the case.

Though who knows it could just be me who thinks this and just speculation no harm no foul.

Edited, Apr 19th 2015 8:47am by ZanonX

I don't like any of the classes in FFXIV. I ended up going WHM because healing raids was the most "exciting" thing to do because of all of the weight on my shoulders. WHM is ok, but I've never mained a healer in an MMO before.

I still don't like any of the classes, but I'll still come back for heavensward and play around a bit. What is difficult for me to do though is stick around. Mainly because I don't really care about advancing in my Job. I just do everything I can at least once until I run in to a wall, then unsub until something new comes out. If THF or RDM were added, I might be inclined to really pursue a deeper relationship with my character and her endeavors.

Not sure how much sense that made, as I just woke up.

I guess TL;DR, the lack of the classes I want does not stop me from playing each new patch, but it does stop me from really putting any real time in to it as I did with FFXI and WoW and sticking through the lulls in between to complete everything.

We are getting a new weapon to build in 3.1. Just because the 2.x relic isn't continuing beyond 135 doesn't mean the next weapon won't send you back to old content.

Additionally keeping 135 at the cap for weapons would hamstring raid loot. Basically it'd be saying that people who farmed T13 have literally no weapon to acquire in an entire expansion. It wouldn't be good.

That has less to do with issues in older content than it does people unsubscribing, which is a natural thing over a game's lifespan. FFXI is extremely old in MMO years. Content previously designed for many players was adjusted to reflect the fact that there weren't many players. Servers were merged to alleviate this as well.



That's what happens when a new game is launched with a lot of anticipation behind it. While the devs DID underestimate the interest in their game, to be completely fair here, every dev does that. As a simple function of business, it's less expensive to start with less and expand than it is to overbuy.



If you aren't expecting a barrage of emergency maintenances (maintenancii?) then you're just setting yourelf up for disappointment. As a rule for MMO expansions, expect problems the first week or so.



Did the original pre-order items? I haven't been to the cash shop in a while, but I don't think they did. Feel free to correct me here as I could easily be wrong.

Edited, Apr 19th 2015 7:51pm by Callinon

I don't trust their word due to the fact they've lied a few times. Empty promises that things would go a certain way but end up and going back on their word.

Maybe that's why? I even hate bringing up FFXI but they've lied to us there also.

Examples below
They listen to their fans opinions. Have they? I haven't seen any listening.
Where is the filter for RMT spam? Said they was but never did.

Whatever happened to the Viera race wasn't that what won the vote on the Polls?
I even thought they was going to release the job class corsair / Musketeer heard about this in 1.0 whatever happened to that?
Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable" though it wasn't true still same prices.

I could keep going though I said enough on this subject and ending it here.

So forgive me if I am hesitant of believing SE will hold up to their word, after heavensward is release and they do update some of the old content instead of focusing only on new expansion area's then I'll come back here and admit I was being a bit harsh but its left to be seen.

The. Hunt.

That's an entire system that exists only because people asked for it and not for any other reason.



I don't remember this, what poll are you talking about? In any event, having an Ivalice race suddenly pop up in Eorzea would be a little strange. The Vana'diel races are in here only because Tanaka was a creative black hole.



Yeah that was a thing. I don't think this was a lie though. The word "lie" implies that Yoshi P was being deceptive. I think he just ended up being wrong. I don't attribute any malice to this, though I would like to see the housing system handled differently.

SE can do very little if you're not receptible to their replies. RMT filter is not something SE adds as a toggle to your client, it is completely server-side, constantly updated and the reason why the RMT is not advertising using proper words but more or less altered text with numbers and symbols. And if you want them to announce with fanfares "now we have an RMT filter in place, hurray!", please understand that the RMT will also be listening.

The personal housing issue was and still is complete nonsense. Due to inflation the same amount of money had less value in December than it had in August. Therefore if the prices remained the same, the inflation made the plots actually much more affordable. I don't know why the community keeps denying this. 3 million gil is simply not worth the same value today as it was in December 2013. Yoshi-P could have been clearer in his statement but the fact still stands. The plots were more affordable by the time personal housing came to be.

Edited, Apr 20th 2015 4:36pm by Hyanmen

Pretty much everyone admits they dropped the ball on that system and misinterpreted what people were wanting (since this game can't support any actual "tough" overworld encounters) which is why early on it died out QUICKLY until they kept making adjustments, then later added the Twine/Coat book to drop tables which made people actually want to do them again. Wanderer's Palace Hard Mode is much more accurate in "listening", since people have been wanting to know more and see more of the Mamool Ja seeing as it's a FFXI beastmen race just randomly in Eorzea. (That Yoshi himself wanted added, so we can't really rely on the "relic of tanaka" argument people still use.)



Actually, they did it as filler content when it was introduced because he stated as clear as day they never had plans to do it and it was a last minute addition which is why he even apologized at the fact it feels like something just tossed together and they've been adjusting it Ontop of that it also was a good way to introduce more glamor and various non-essential items with the exception of a few (like purchasable alexandrites). So it was a popular request, much like a popular request was to stop shoving FATEs on us and a quick browse through OF between 2.0 - 2.5 era, plenty of people always mentioned having less reliance on FATEs, especially in seasonal events, but as we can see with the "timeline" for HW, plenty more FATEs await us. It's a core game system, but so are Leves (that remains ignored largely) and they could even reintroduce "Behest" as the continuation to Guldhests.



The poll was during 1.x when they asked what kind of races would we like to see. The one with Viera won because...it had Viera as an example, it was never promised but the type of race was promised. He admitted using Viera skewed the results because people thought they meant adding Viera.

Human, Elf, Midget, Hulk (various 5th race here.) That's not a blackhole, that's the general template and these races now are largely the "FF Online" races because they stated as plain as day (both Tanaka (when asked about adding new races from other games in the series) and Yoshi) they didn't want people to think this takes place in Ivalice, which is why using any other race from the FF series would give that illusion. There's not many races out there you can use in an MMO that doesn't make it seem like a creative blackhole. I bet you can load up plenty of MMOs and see similiar races or variants of the usual races. The "general races" you see in every MMO simply fits that world, which is why even demonic type races are rarely added, because the world doesn't support having random devils/demons and so on just living about 3 fields away from the holy Elfen race.



He said it would be separate from FC housing and not cost anywhere near as much. The main thing that irked people was it were the same lots and same lot price. If it was cheaper people wouldn't mind as much. Not to mention Personal Housing is no different from FC housing because it's essentially the same. In other MMOs, you could share housing with your marriage partner, or a group of friends and the houses even gives you buffs (which in ARR, the FC actions take care of) so it definitely did come across as a "lie" when it was basically Free Company houses you can buy solo.



Considering he made it a point to say: "Everything goes through me before it enters the game", I don't think he "ended up wrong", he just didn't want to go back on his word last minute when HE gave the ok to make it essentially the same system as FC housing and same lot prices (being that it's the same lots.)

Housing I care nothing for until they actually start enhancing your gameplay experience, but at the same time, I can definitely see why it pissed people off.



This was just people being whiny because they could have done T6 and T7 and gotten all 3 of those items and quite honestly, quicker than what happens in ST a lot (at the time.)

The weekly didn't really solve much because LoTA still takes a long time (no reason to queue it after your quest), when Yoshida did say the items would be on a separate lockout, which people though it would be similar to ST where WoD will drop it (which Yoshida had said would have multiple routes and your loot varies depending on which route you took.)

In reality, the only thing the weekly did was allow people who can't clear "harder content (FCoB is arguable on difficulty until 13)" to get I130, which would have been the same effect as adding it to WoD loot tables because the weird itemization in this game made it so WoD actually drops a few BiS pieces compared to the I130 variants. So if one route was the usual loot tables (Demon gear) you could choose to go the other route (Augmented Magitek Materials) - That was perfect, rather than forcing us back into content people rightfully left behind due to vertical progression (I've seen no one asked to go back to LoTA or ST.) This is why people got excited as **** when they seen "allagan Catalyst" because it seemed like it could have been either a variant of upgrade item (collect - turn in for such) that dropped from WoD or the item for the CT weapons that too dropped from WoD since we knew there would be a gap between 2.5 and expansion content wise, so people figured they'd keep WoD as relevant as possible.

Who knows, the patch tonight might change more than FCoB nerfs in terms of distribution.