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#52 Apr 09 2019 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously. Look at something other than far left media sometime.

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Says the guy who is quoted as not getting his news from anywhere.

Also, who is Dave?
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what is the name of the crazy homeless person that writes all of gbaji's posts?

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#54 Apr 09 2019 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't be a Dave.
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Dave's not here.

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This forum looks pretty ill. Hope I didn't poison it.

So, the Biden (D) officially joined the race for pres. I feel like the dem nomination is a wrap at this point. In fact, it seems so ordained that I'm feeling compelled to throw my support behind him. (I'm not going to though - he's out of touch, pretty old and in support of a failed status quo).

Klobuchar is having a little punch-out with Warren over elimination of student debt. At least I think it was Warren that put that campaign promise on the table. Liz is still my top pick. Mayor Pete has a lot going for him, but I trust Warren's experience.

Despite sounding like another pissy lib that can't get over the fact that trump won the presidency, I'm all about impeachment at this point. Questionable travel practices and business deals, unqualified appointees, nepotism, conflict of interest, lying to the American people, illegal business deals, inciting violence, hate speech, conflict of interest and failure to disclose financial interests are just a few of his digressions. It should have been done two years ago, but congress instead pawned their responsibility off on Mueller. Impeachment is the mechanism that congress has to use when presidential actions are unacceptable. If they refuse to impeach because of reasons of convenience and personal career choices, they're condoning some pretty abhorrent behaviors, making them status quo, and paving the way for an abjectly corrupt government.

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I'm a Dave. But I also haven't read any other posts here on this thread where I guess there is some kind of debate, somehow.

Warren is LOL. Trump is the greatest Troll of all time and Warren spent a year gathering DNA just from one troll Pocahantas thing, and even with that made herself look stupid as shit. And didn't ask the actual 1/64 tribe she belonged to what they thought of it. And she's also being an easy troll mark with her recent impeachment stuff. She'd be the easiest loss on the ticket. Even easier than that shit-hole Joe Biden! Warren would be utterly amazing in any treasury/secretary/finance position.

If her vs. Trump though, Trump would win nine months prior with "Warren's tampon has green in it! Her vaSmiley: lola is full of mold!" and then Warren's focus would be on scientists who would ensure that she was too old to menstruate, and also that vaginas don't generally have mold, blah blah. That WILL HAPPEN

Bernie Sanders is the thing. Gabbard too except she's even more embattled by centrists. Centrists such as every member of Allakhazam website ever. I mean duh, anyone here not getting behind Mr. Bernard Sanders as the best candidate for the US is a CUNTBAG.

I guess those might also prefer a Buttigieg who rousts homeless from shelters and burns their pallets; and who promises to burn 1000 houses in 1000 days in order to set up a nice place to gentrify. Or prefer a Corey Booker, who thinks Canada drugs are too dangerous to ever be a deciding vote that would allow Americans to have cheaper drugs. And all the other fake a-holes.

And I guess my main failure as a commentator here is my old assumption that most others here were moral people who cared about others' suffering. It's clear they'd rather 20 million Yemenis be genocided than ever the Democratic Party be in tiny part blamed for such, via Obama. And etc. So no wonder this thread (which I haven't read, honestly) is shitting on Sanders. I assume.

And also probably/maybe acting like this is the most important election ever and Trump is worst ever even if he's killed less brown people and started less wars than anyone since LBJ. "Let's think about the 5% of humans who are Americans". "Let's put a no-fly zone over Syria", said one psychopathic candidate, last election. Jingoists here.

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Blubbity Grarr rarr! You centrist fucks! AIEEEEE!!!

Edited, Apr 26th 2019 6:17am by Palpitus1
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Trump is the greatest Troll of all time and Warren spent a year gathering DNA just from one troll Pocahantas thing

I'm no fan of Warren but the Pocahontas thing started years before Trump.
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#60 Apr 30 2019 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, trump is the greatest troll of all time. Warren should have ignored his taunts. But, at the same time he's president of the US - with the loudest soap box ever.

From this CNN poll that came out today, it looks like Biden's Announcement drew potential voters away from Beto and Harris and a bit from Bernie. Biden's narrative is strong - he's also pretty old and 2020 is still a year and a half away.

"(Democrats/Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, N=411) DP1.

I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Democratic primaries for president in 2020. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020, or if you would support someone else.
April 25-28, 2019 March 14-17, 2019 Dec 06-09, 2018 Oct 04-07, 2018
Former Vice President Joe Biden 39% 28% 33% 33%
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders 15% 19% 14% 14%
Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren 8% 7% 4% 9%
South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg 7% 1% N/A N/A
Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke 6% 13% 9% 7%
California Senator Kamala Harris 5% 12% 4% 10%
New Jersey Senator Cory Booker 2% 2% 6% 5%
Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard 2% * N/A N/A
Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar 2% 3% 3% 1%
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro 1% * * N/A
New York Senator Kirstin Gillibrand 1% 1% 1% 0%
Washington Governor Jay Inslee 1% 1% 1% N/A
California Congressman Eric Swalwell 1% N/A N/A N/A
Author Marianne Williamson 1% N/A N/A N/A
Businessman Andrew Yang 1% N/A N/A N/A
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio * N/A N/A N/A
Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan * N/A N/A N/A
Colorado Senator Michael Bennet 0% N/A N/A N/A
Montana Governor Steve Bullock 0% 0% 1% 0%
Maryland Congressman John Delaney 0% * 0% 0%
Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper 0% * * N/A
Miramar, Florida Mayor Wayne Messam 0% N/A N/A N/A
Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton 0% N/A N/A N/A
Former Secretary of State John Kerry N/A 3% 3% 4%
Former Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe N/A * 1% N/A
Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg N/A N/A 2% 3%
Former Attorney General Eric Holder N/A N/A 1% 4%
Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown N/A N/A 2% N/A
Businessman Tom Steyer N/A N/A 0% N/A
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti N/A N/A * 1%
Attorney Michael Avenatti N/A N/A N/A 1%
Former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick N/A N/A N/A 2%
Someone else (vol.) * 2% 1% 2%
None/No one (vol.) 3% 1% 8% 1%
No opinion 7% 3% 7% 5%"
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#61 May 05 2019 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I think both side should get back to helping Americans in need and rebuilding our crap-tastic infrastructure, but I crazy like that.


You so crazy I think I wanna have your baby.

Um---to the naysayers, or the realists, I think that Sanders will actually win the primary because it may be too hard to ***** him over with normal measures. I think he's going to be a Beast!!! Yay!!

I think the main anti-Sanders avenue will be:

Plan A: Run Bloomberg, or some other asshole so upset about say, "the lurch to the left of the party to have some socialist commie like Sanders" so he's only running to protect us from the collective wheat farming.

Plan B: I mean, Bernie Sanders will be killed. Between 11/2019 and 5/2020. Natural causes ideally of course, but in a pinch anything else would do.

Has to be enough time for someone to cry-lament-burden to take over. Biden has experience wailing about his ****** kids, one dead and another just as corrupt etc. So he'd be pretty good to oh-woefully step in to take the torch from Sanders. And media: "No Difference! They were already exactly the same on policy!" Voters: "12 hours at work, 6 hours sleep, 2 hours driving, 2 hours making food for kids, 2 hours eating....Biden, yeah I've heard that name. In the long long ago someone promised something. I'll just vote for him I guess."


Keep enjoying this drama though, Americans. Not like your family will starve to death in Yemen, or be exploded to bits in Iraq. It's all soooo theoretical.
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ETA Sorry, this reply is to gentle Elinda. I forgot how things work and where it goes Hi person.

"Author Joe Biden" I LIKE BOOKS FOR TOUCHING UNWILLING CHILDREN

That poll is hijinks from the jump.

All or most polls are as well. Polling and debating has gone downhill since the League of Women Voters said NO!!! DON'T TOUCH ME UNCA JOE!" and declined to be the bitches of the big media and two-party structures.

And even now, there's kerfuffle about which of the 24 Dem primary candidates could maybe get time to answer one generic question on stage...but a year later no room for any third party candidates. No kerfuffle.

After Perot got on stage (after the League of Women Voters was usurped I think) they of course rewrote rules so that wouldn't happen again. And consolidated the media to quash any dissenting candidates. I mean this happened and we're about to all die due to capitalist climate cataclysm and corrupt cunts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2W3aG8uizA

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Btw, the debate questions will be...

Round-robin generic as in: "What is the greatest threat this embattled naked vulnerable country faces" and "How would you secure our internets and democracy from the Soviets who want to destroy all of Western philosophy and existence since the time of Rus" and "what is up with middle class America how would you strengthen middle class America, yo"

and if time after that nonsense the individual questions will go: "Tulsi Gabbard, why did you belong in a cult and think homosexuals should die in Hell and why are you in love with your idol brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad?"

I mean I even gave Tulsi Gabbard $5 to get on that stage, due to her anti-imperialism and anti-warmongering but it's not like I expect for her to have more than 0.2 seconds to get it across to American voters.
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Ms. Gabbard is younger and prettier than most of the other women running - that's big and should take her a long ways. I'm still pissed about Biden, the DNC et al.

I bought myself 10,000+ bees this weekend, so I can lord over and exploit my very own slaves. Speaking of slaves, the Unsullied, have not lived up to their hype.
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Questionable travel practices and business deals, unqualified appointees, nepotism, conflict of interest, lying to the American people, illegal business deals, inciting violence, hate speech, conflict of interest and failure to disclose financial interests are just a few of his digressions.


Are you sure you're not talking about Obama? Or Clinton? Yeah. Definitely Clinton.

I get it. OMG I hate Trump! Must do something! Um... Exaggerating a bunch of claims and then trying to argue for Impeachment based on what is really incredibly flimsy stuff that more or less devolves into "we don't like him so let's impeach!" is a terribly bad idea. It points far more to bald faced partisanship than anything else. You could lay those claims at any politician and have just as much legitimacy (ie: not any at all).

When you list off a bunch of vague stuff like that you're not really laying out a case so much as speaking to the echo chamber. Everyone outside that chamber just kinda tunes you out though. It's not productive and will only hurt the Dem chances in this election cycle. Unfortunately, it seems like the Left has come to thrive in an environment of innuendo, speculation, and condemnation, with little or no facts to back any of it up.

Claims are cheap. You can always make them. Are there facts to go with them though? What exactly is "questionable travel practices and business deals"? Vague much? Unqualified appointees? You're kidding right? What are the qualifications? If only we had some process for approving said appointees. Oh wait! We do. Nepotism? Um... Have you looked at the folks that presidents appoint and/or surround themselves with? How many "Czars" did Obama appoint (ie: folks who hold advisory positions, but aren't "official" appointees and thus don't have to go through a Senate Confirmation process). Pot.... Met the Kettle.

None of this comes remotely close to the level required for impeachment. Well. Legitimate impeachment. Obviously, Congress can vote to impeach any time for any reason. But if they do this for purely political reasons (which is what this would be), it tends to hurt the party that does it. Every single time. It's a bad idea. It's an obviously bad idea. That so many vocal voices on the Left are demanding this really only reeks of desperation. It says "we don't think we can win by actually appealing to the voters, so we'll find some loophole to get what we want instead". That's not a great way to do things. Not in a system that is supposed to be about following a democratic process.

You want to get Trump out of office. Freaking run candidates who can beat him. Run on issues the voters care about. Protip. That's not impeachment. It's not climate change. It's not identity politics. It's not transgender bathrooms, or trigger warnings, or any of the other nonsense stuff the far left is screaming about. False claims of hate speech, fear mongering, etc, will only backfire. Stick to actual issues people actually care about. Especially the voters that will be the determinants in the election. Those are working to low middle class workers. Folks who aren't on welfare, but still struggle to pay their rent or mortgage. Folks who want more than just a subsistence life, and who would like to be able to save something for their future, to make their lives and the lives of their children better. Folks who want to earn that living, not have it handed to them. Folks who want to be able to hold their heads up high and, yes, say "I did build that" when looking at their lives accomplishments.

Far too often, the Left's rhetoric runs exactly counter to what that group of voters care about. And unfortunately, the Democrats basically have the tiger by the tail on this one. They've spent the last several decades building up a block of young, energetic, and angry voting base, convinced (indoctrinated, some might say) into viewing the entire world through the lens of the oh so important social justice causes they have become so invested in. But they are (or have been) so young and such a small group that it didn't matter. Free votes for the Dems, right? But now they've got a generation of voters who are old enough and big enough as a block to affect the Dems in terms of primary decisions, but not yet old enough or experienced enough with the real world to know how incredibly unrealistic and largely unimportant those "causes" really are. But they are pushing the Dems so far to the left, it's going to be very hard for any candidate to thread the needle. And I don't think they can get away with the whole "anointed candidate" BS they did last time around. Too many angry Berni-bros for that.


And that's before addressing the 800lb gorilla in the room. The economy. The same economy that every single liberal pundit, politician, and prominent (Nobel prize winning even!) liberal economist assured us would struggle, fail, and probably even collapse entirely if Trump got his grubby hands on it. Ooops! It's super hard to argue for socialist change when the evil capitalist agenda of Trump has resulted in the lowest unemployment in like forever, greater upward mobility than we've seen since the post ww2 era. High GDP growth. And, shockingly for those who shout "trickle down doesn't work" at the drop of a hat, the fact that not only are wages rising, but they are rising relatively faster for the working class than the wealthy. Hard to keep arguing "tax cuts for the rich", when that is what's really going on.

I almost laughed out loud watching Biden's rally last week. At one point he was trying to mock the economic results, and said something like "did you get any tax cut" to the audience, and they're all shouting "no way" (or something like that). Um... It's not like it was hard to look at your pay check prior and after the freaking tax cut. Everyone got more money into their pockets. Every one (well, everyone who worked and paid any taxes at all). So either his entire audience was made up of the unemployed, or very low paid workers (like minimum wage part time folks), or a whole bunch of people were just shouting something that they all knew wasn't true, but were I guess just hoping the rest of us wouldn't notice or something.

It's hard to run a campaign when you have to basically ignore reality and make stuff up in order to make any sort of point in your favor. Again, that might fly with the loyal followers in the crowd, but it totally turns off everyone else. At a certain point, it just becomes like "Holy cow, is there any lie they wont all adopt as truth just to show support for their side"? It's crazy. Again, that might help win a primary, but it's going to be hard to get those voters in the middle to take you seriously when you deny simple facts like yes, the tax cuts did actually help working and middle class folks, and yes, Trumps trade deals and regulation removal has helped businesses grow, and increase employment and wages for workers, and yes, China is actually a threat to be taken seriously. You know. Basic stuff that shows you are even remotely in touch with what is actually happening in the country and the world.

The more that Dem primary contenders feel they have to throw away that reality in order to win points with the increasingly nutty Left, the harder they make it for themselves in Fall of next year. We'll see what happens, but it's not looking good so far.

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Yeah, he keeps posting, thinking anyone is reading that bullshit
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#68 May 08 2019 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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greater upward mobility than we've seen since the post ww2 era
Links to US gov't sources backing this up would be nice, friend.
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Questionable travel practices and business deals, unqualified appointees, nepotism, conflict of interest, lying to the American people, illegal business deals, inciting violence, hate speech, conflict of interest and failure to disclose financial interests are just a few of his digressions.


Are you sure you're not talking about Obama? Or Clinton? Yeah. Definitely Clinton.

Uh ya, Are you sure you really meant to say that out loud. I forgot to add that he apparently sucks as a business man. And as trump businesses go, so goes the USA.
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I get it. OMG I hate Trump!

Why all the hate?- trump sucks as president simply because he's an ignorant egotist not because any particular person claims to hate him.
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Questionable travel practices and business deals, unqualified appointees, nepotism, conflict of interest, lying to the American people, illegal business deals, inciting violence, hate speech, conflict of interest and failure to disclose financial interests are just a few of his digressions.


Are you sure you're not talking about Obama? Or Clinton? Yeah. Definitely Clinton.

Uh ya, Are you sure you really meant to say that out loud. I forgot to add that he apparently sucks as a business man. And as trump businesses go, so goes the USA.


Except that you listed off a bunch of reasons you thought he should be impeached. I'm just curious what those actually are and why you think they should result in impeachment. It's easy to rattle off something like "questionable travel practices", but what exactly are you talking about? I hear and read people saying this stuff all the time, almost like they're just parroting something they heard someone say on TV, but when I ask them to elaborate, and maybe give some specific examples, they kinda flail around, fail to come up with anything (and certainly nothing that's impeachable), and then try to change the subject.


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Why all the hate?- trump sucks as president simply because he's an ignorant egotist not because any particular person claims to hate him.


Good question. Why all the hate? When you say he sucks because "he's an ignorant egotist", that's kinda just about you not liking him, right?

Isn't a better determination about whether the actions and decisions he's made as president have had positive or negative effects? Silly me, I care less about whether I like the president as to whether he's making good choices. Obama was a very likeable president and made absolutely horrible choices. Trump's more or less the opposite.
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trump's actions and decisions have had disastrous effects. And he is an extremely immoral, unethical person.
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trump's actions and decisions have had disastrous effects. And he is an extremely immoral, unethical person.
Yeah, well, just more proof that Repubs will vote for an morally destitute rapist piece of human garbage as long as that "R" is in front of his/her name.

You all might note I didn't say "stupid". Trump is certainly self-aware enough to see his own awful behavioUr...he just doesn't care.
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trump's actions and decisions have had disastrous effects.


What actions and decisions. What effects (results) were "disastrous"? Be freaking specific. Tell me an action he took, the result of that action, and how/why you consider that result disastrous in some way. Again, be specific. Who was affected? How were they effected? Was that resulting effect positive or negative?

It's easy to just declare something to be "bad", but if you can't actually elaborate with specifics, then it's an empty statement.

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Same thing here. Be specific. What has he done that you consider "immoral" or "unethical". Again. Be freaking specific. The second you veer into vague claims and can't provide a single specific example to back it up, you lose all credibility.

If he's really been such a horrible president, it should not be hard to detail specific examples of all the horrible things he's done. Right? And if you find yourself having a hard time actually doing so, then you might want to consider that you're just repeating someone else's rhetoric and never bothered to verify it yourself. It's like critical thinking skills have just disappeared from the face of the Earth or something.
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Really, gbaji...if you can't think of ONE immoral or unethical thing Trump has ever done, President or not, there's no hope for you.



1. Trump walks into a room full of 14-16 year old naked girls = ok with gbaji.

2. Trump orders an $60k piano from an piano company and then sends a check for $40k and says "sue me for the rest" = ok with gbaji.

3. Trump runs an uncredited "university" = ok with gbaji.

4. Invites members of Russia's intel group into the Oval Office = ok with gbaji.

5. OK, this one not so bad, but: why not release tax stuff? If it's fine, what's the problem? Unless you are the type to cheat on taxes, of course....that may change your perspective.
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Oh..and the whole "make fun of a handicapped guy by flapping your arms around and going 'doi-dur-duh'" was super classy.
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Clearly gbaji is not interested in an honest discussion. I can’t believe you are still trying reason
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