Spite (Recast: 3 min; Duration: 5 min)
Increases enmity gain. The subject of Trick Attack will receive 50% of the Thief's enmity on top of the current effect.

Foul Play (Recast: 3 min; Duration: 5 min)
Increases attack speed and critical hit damage. Increases damage taken by 15%.


Spite increases Thief's enmity manipulation abilities while at the same time helps make Thief into a more viable tank. The penalty here is that if the Thief wants to tank, they will be unable to use Trick Attack and vice versa. Foul Play is the offensive counterpart to Spite's somewhat more defensive/support qualities. I'm not sure on the exact numbers for the attack speed and critical hit damage. I considered having the attack speed be equal to Haste and then have a mage's Haste be unstackable with it.

Thoughts?

SE tried to do that when they gave Footwork to Monk, and the Monks didn't seem all that happy about the arrangement. Go figure?

I'm not really sure this is going to be of a lot of use. As far as my recollections go for Thieves using TA on tanks, the effect was just right. It didnt give too much of a boost, nor too little. Then again, the problem you'll run into now is that in your average party, PLD dont really have a use for Thieves using TA, and NIN got their spiffy +30% Enmity thing too so they dont require one past level 50 anymore either.

Once someone caps on hate, they cap on hate. You could make them hit the cap faster, but there's no point in super-glueing hate on someone. It takes away the need for skill, gear and effort.


Personally, this seems far too strong. You're boosting the main aspects of THF (Lots of hits, Critical Spikes) while not giving them any sorts of penalty for such an amazing boost. Damage taken is increased, yes, but i have only seen a handfull of Thieves this year who dont fulltime /NIN as a subjob. Not to mention the native evasion they have, mixed with the inability to grab hate from the tank once they SATA'd him. You never get hit normally, so there's little to no reason the damage taken would have any effect.

That all said, i'm far from against a boost to the THF job. I think it would be fun to give them some of the abilities they had in the past for sure. However, this whole stance thing is getting a bit old. I know everyone wants their overpowered stance thing after seeing NIN get boosted through the roof and never comming down again, but i'm sure you can do better with suggestions.

There's a whole game full of things you can use.

* Why not steal effects that generate temp items?

* Stealing job ability timers from monsters, locking theirs while resetting your own?

* Taking over elemental affinity from your target and calling it "Blend In"?

And that's just with one minute of thinking. You can think of something more original and interesting than this, i'm sure. And when you do, i have no doubt people will back your idea's if you make them interesting enough. None of this "I want Haste and Damage, with no penalty for 5 minutes, every 5 minutes".

Reason for this being, we attack slower, and gain more tp.. Though because of that whole attacking so slowly part, we do less damage overall. If I am worried about giving the nm tp as a monk, I am far better off just chiblasting. Footwork has basically just been an occasional weaponskill ability. Switch it on, weaponskill for extra tp.. switch it off.

If only.. ;;

We count as neither 2h or 1h. No shields, no grips, no dualwield, no Seigan/Hasso.

Then again, adding something to us will probably just warrant some complaints and get us nerfed.

It would be nice to see the Chakra timer lowered but I feel too much so would just lead to it being a little overpowered when coupled with dancer.

In campaign I can recover a large chunk of hp through a chakra macro. That coupled with /dnc and other monk abilities has made me invincible to most regular campaign monsters. Having Chakra on a one minute timer would just lead me to mnk/war since mnk/dnc would be overkill on anything but NMs

You should be glad it isn't still on a 15 minute timer =p

I don't remember it being 15 min 2003, but it was a long time ago since I ran around farming in pashow on my fancy level 40ish MNK.

Since I took my last merit out of Aura Steal to max 5/5 Assassin's Charge...I haven't touched the steal command once.



I'm not looking for gimicks or long recast timers. What I want is a 30 second global steal recast timer, and attach steal comands (similar to waltzes and sambas) that are actually USEFUL.

If I could steal DEX or crit rate before I pop off a WS I would welcome that boost in damage. IF I could steal TP to build TP faster on HNMs without having to feed them lots of TP in the process, I would welcome that boost. If I could steal Enmity from a DD or a mage and give it to a PLD, I would welcome that boost in utility.

Its not a gimmick. Steal is an ability that should be the bread and butter of a THIEF class. There is precedent and creativity with the battle applications of steal in many other games and FF series. Steal is something that could be way more useful than it is WITHOUT being even remotely close to unbalanced in this game.

Stealing monster buffs was a really really great idea. If Square Enix hadn't royally screwed up the implenetation of Aurasteal and attached it to a rediculous 5 minute recast timer...I would have 5/5 in it. I know a lot of people are happy with it and thats great if it works for you. But in my oppinion they put a band aid on a shotgun wound. As a career Thief I take it as a slap in the face. SE: "We aren't going to do anything to make steal useful any time soon, so here...have this random trait attached to it and kindly stfu...and too bad if you want to steal ice spikes from bones...take your Bone Chip, have a coke and a smile...and kindly stfu"

Edited, Nov 6th 2009 2:29pm by ThiefKiller