Preview: the silliest, most convoluted, AV "theory" ever?

There have been lots of "theories" about defeating Absolute Virtue over the years. Here's mine. This'll take a while, though; so grab a sandwich or something.....

...okay, here goes.

This theory started fairly simply. The name of the creature itself. Absolute Virtue. To me, that means that he is the paragon of morality, honesty, and fair play. Which led me to believe, you will not defeat this creature by cheating.

There's been lots of discussion amongst the player population about whether Windower plugins are considered cheating. However, the opinion of the playerbase--for the purposes of this topic--is irrelevant. SE considers it cheating. And that's what matters here.

But how can they TELL if you're cheating or not? Most of the popular plugins are--for all intents and purposes--undetectable since they only display information that the servers send you anyway.

But then I thought; "what about the other way around"? Do any of them change the way the players send info TO the server? And is it in a way that SE can detect? SE catches bots all the time, don't they?

Now, this part of my theory is definitely the weakest link; since I'm not exactly well-versed in Internet mechanics--I fully expect this part to be shot down in a blaze of technical knowledge. But this is(?) a Friday thread; so have fun with it.

I think it has something to do with Windower macros. Those wonderful things that allow you to make macros of more than six lines (at least that's how I've come to understand it). Now, what do you NEED more than six lines at a time for?

The only thing I can think of (and feel free to clue me in if I'm offbase here) is massive equip swapping. If not for that; I don't think anyone would really need long macros for anything. Whether equip-swaps of this level are necessary or not is another topic altogether; so I won't digress by going down that road.

But this is the "key" to my theory. When you fire off one of these macros, you're sending a huge amount of equip-change commands at a speed and efficiency that cannot be matched by any console-using player. And this is what's being detected. (DISCLAIMER: If it's not totally obvious by this paragraph, I play this game on a console and while I certainly COULD use my PC for it, I choose not to.)

And there are probably not many fights where gear-optimization is considered more "necessary" than the Jailer Of Love fight. (DISCLAIMER: I've only participated in one JOL fight, and my role there was not exactly involved. So I freely admit, I don't have a lot of experience to base this claim on. Happy Friday?)

So, in a way to "catch" and "punish" plug-in users without outright banning them--because we all know what the outcome of banning them would be--Absolute Virtue was created to slap these evil-doers across the face and leave them running for their moogles.

But after a while, SE probably decided "what if NO ONE in the group fighting it is cheating in this way? Maybe we should devise a way to 'reward' their honesty and give the wrong-doers a chance to repent." The infamous "video" of them beating AV is one of the things that resulted from this. Giving AV a loot-pool was another.

One other result was whenever someone devised a way to beat AV, they quickly fixed it. Most of these have been the result of glitches, but the most recent one I remember (KC-DRK zergs) certainly feeds into this theory (beat AV even by cheating).

So, the end product of this entire thing is, next time you use that JOL pop-set; DON'T USE WINDOWER MACROS AT ALL. It might mean your parsers will show some lol-worthy damage numbers or something or other; but in the name of honesty and fair-play, it just might be worth it.

And if it's not, just keep telling yourself that this was only a Happy Friday thread. ("Holy ****, that Q is so out of his mind!")

Just in case you were wondering, I don't REALLY consider my theory to be likely. Mainly because, even with my limited knowledge; I can think of at least two ways to "fool" the detection scheme.

I'm pretty sure some LS with all PS2/XBOX360 players have already attempted to fight JoL and AV. There must be a LS like this somewhere. Anyone has info if I'm correct on this? Or only linkshells where at least one member uses Windower, its plug-ins and other third party applications have attempted to defeat JoL and AV?

Um...

Yea, this best be a joke thread there OP. Kind of a funny idea, but if you're being even 1% serious...

I really want the OP's theory to be dead on. It would be so damn appropriate.

What's the timeline on Windower being released and AV coming into the game?

No, the next time YOU use that JoL pop set, make everyone not use windower macros. I don't care to test your stupid theory for you.

If it existed, it'd be Japanese.

Only because the PS2 version is more prevalent there than the PC version is.

But we all know that the Japanese have already beat AV. They are just keeping it secret.... OP may be on to something...




I'm joking.

But hasn't it been proven the exact other way around? I thought the way to beat AV (or at least lock the 2 hours) has been established - to use the same 2 hour as soon as she does. But the window in which you can do this is so small that you need to use 3rd party tools to time it right.

So in essence you have to beat the paragon of good with cheating.

Then you just have to deal with Meteor...

Isn't that correct?

Edited, Nov 7th 2009 2:01am by jtftaru

Well the only 2 hour you really need to worry about is Benediction. You get that locked, that's the main one.

lolno.

The only time SE catches botters is if they either admit it, or they're botting afk.

The sad part is people still believe SE bans people for botting because they detected the bot. If the false bannings proved nothing else, it proved SE doesn't have a @#%^ing clue or means of filtering the real problems from the imagined ones.

Except Kclub DRK zerging isnt cheating.